In many ways, the Touhou Project phenomenon is similar to the success of Vocaloid and Minecraft. In each of these cases, the users are given a blank slate of sorts. Vocaloid is just a dense piece of voice-synthesizing software, Minecraft throws players into a sandbox world with no objectives whatsoever, and Touhou presents players with a large cast of characters with virtually no background beyond their name, their title, and few meager lines of dialogue if they are lucky. But when players take up on the challenge of inscribing their creative energies onto these seemingly blank slates, things quickly got out of hand. Countless songs, illustrations and animated PVs merged from the Vocaloid camp. Mind-boggling feats of virtual construction (like the model of the earth and a 1:1 scale Starship Enterprise) began to surface in the Minecraft community. And similarly, when Touhou creator ZUN gave his audience a bunch of crudely drawn girls wearing funky costumes in a compelling game with his own homebrewed music, the situation quickly snowballed. Today, you’ll find image sites like danbooru absolutely chock-full of Touhou-related fanart, a vast discography of Touhou music remixes, a slew of doujinshi games, novels, videos of all sorts, etc, etc. In essence, the fans have taken the modest foundation provided by ZUN and strapped it to a rocket, propelling the franchise into astonishing heights.
On the chopping block this week is Ques Q’s 1/8th scale Hong Meiling, a character that began as one of ZUN unflattering scrawls. Of course, one quick glance though danbooru would reveal many of the creative liberalities taken on the original design by the legions of fan artists. This particular figure is based off of an illustration by Iwamoto James, and like all Touhou-related merchandise, it’s only sold through limited venues. But honestly, considering that this figure was purchased through Amiami, does ZUN still have any claim left to his policy of exclusivity for Touhou-related merch? Just a thought.
But back onto the character: Hong Meiling the gatekeeper to the Scarlet Devil Mansion. Lovingly dubbed as “China” by fans, she is a youkai proficient in martial arts. For reasons unknown to me, my friend Ningyo holds a borderline psychotic obsession with this character. I think it’s his life’s mission to scour the earth for all things related to the Chinese redhead. Being the devious bastard that I am, when he ordered the figure through me, I took advantage of my position as the middleman and hijacked the figure for this review. But Ningyo my man, I gotta say: this figure of your one true waifu is probably going to fall short of the lofty heights she resides in your heart.
Like my favourite figure, Meiling is rocking a strange pose. However, unlike that figure, I have no idea as to what Meiling could possibly be doing. In the original illustration this figure is based on, Meiling is completely upright, as if she’s assuming some sort of martial art pose. However, something went awry during the translation between 2D and 3D, and what came out at the end is a somewhat confused spectacle. While Meiling’s upper body is almost perfectly upright, her legs lean heavily to her right, giving her a teetering appearance. The best explanation I can come up with is that Meiling is running very strangely while giving salute. Of course, I haven’t the slightest clue why anyone would be running and saluting at the same time, but given the absurdity of the pose, all I can do is scratch my head at it.
Like her pose, Meiling’s face is also hard to explain, though I find there’s a cute quirkiness to it. Also contributing to the unusualness of her face is the wide space between her eyes, which also gives the character a spacey look, whether it’s intentional or not.
Meiling’s fanned-out hair is to me the highlight of the figure. Its colour looks especially vibrant under proper lighting, and even more so when viewed through my brand-spanking-new 21.5 inch 1080p monitor. Shit is so cash.
In terms of physical proportions, Meiling’s got an absurdly long pair of legs. This is hardly surprising, since the appeal of the figure is riding on that high slit of her dress. On a less appealing note, Meiling’s neck is also exceedingly long – the result of another unwelcome deviation from the source illustration. Though Meiling measures at a respectable 19 cm from the top of her head to the tips of her toes, because of the extreme length of her legs, the rest of her body looks diminutive by comparison. As the result, this figure feels a little short of its advertised 1/8th scale.
Unfortunately, Ques Q did not do a great job on the skin. While there are pink tones around the joints on her limbs, there is an overall feeling of flatness. From what I can tell, the face is completely flat; and as long and shapely as Meiling’s legs are, they’re not very exciting to look at when they’re pale as death. I guess living with a bunch of vampires would do that to your skin, but I still expect a slightly healthier skin tone from the Scarlet Mansion’s resident China girl.
Update: When I was looking over my favourite figures last night, it occurred to me that not all of them have noticeably flushed skin. Sure, the adept use of pink tones definitely scores some brownie points with me, but it doesn’t make or break a figure. Both the GSC Dead Master and Hatsune Miku had really pale skin, yet I don’t have too big of an issue against either. After thinking it over, I realized it’s not that tones of the skin that bothered me, but rather the finish. It’s got that toy-like plastic sheen to it – a quality not exhibited by the surfaces of her costume. This leads me to believe that the skin is under-painted, which is what ultimately put me off.
Thankfully, the paint on Meiling’s costume fares better than her skin. I know I made a stink about Meiling’s colour scheme before, but I have to admit I am fond of the light yellowish-green colour they chose for this figure. Depth is evident in the use of highlights and shades on the green parts of her dress. I’m also pleased to find that the yellow lining and embroideries on her vest are cleanly executed, as is the case with the metallic details on her skirt and the bells at the ends of her braids. While the general sculpt of the figure isn’t anything to leap out of your chair for, the respectable amount of detailing on the costume is enough to give it some aesthetic appeal.
This is not to say the costume is not without its problems, however. Meiling’s beret suffers from a significant paint defect on its side. Ningyo has also complained about its flattened cabbage-like appearance. Personally I don’t know any better, so I’ll trust the words of the resident Meiling fanatic on this.
Surprisingly, in spite of the high slit on Meiling’s dress, her panties are pretty well-hidden from plain sight. Those who are curious would find that she’s wearing plain tighty-whiteys with zero detailing whatsoever. Boo.
Meiling is attached to her circular staged base, which is of a modest 7.5 cm diameter. Because of her heavy-leaning pose, the figure shakes ominously whenever I bump into the table she stands on. Whether or not the figure will continue to lean is a question I don’t have an answer to. Ques Q has yet to establish a clear reputation for itself, so one can only hope that Meiling will not stumble into the same pitfall as some other recent figures.
Final Say
At the end of the day, I find myself feeling indifferent at best towards Ques Q’s Hong Meiling. She doesn’t really have any exceptional qualities, and for a 7,400 yen figure, her overall presentation feels lacking. Her size could be bigger, her skins tones could use more depth, and her beret would’ve been better off without that paint defect. Mind you, none of these faults are catastrophic in scale, but when combined together they make the figure feel like a glorified UFO catcher prize figure.
However, this figure is still worth considering to the diehard Meiling fan. Personally, I think Ques Q’s Meiling trumps the Griffon version, and since Meiling isn’t exactly the Touhou character with the highest demand, there’s no telling whether we’ll see another mass-produced Meiling figure in the near future. So, if you are a supplicant to the cult of the prismatic maiden, then this figure would make a decent idol of your unchristian worship. If you aren’t, then this figure sadly won’t be turning you into a believer anytime soon.
Pros
- Vibrant crimson hair
- Leg, and a lot of it
Cons
- Inexplicably strange pose
- Cheap work on the skin
- Feels smaller than her scale
- Quality control mishap on the beret
20 replies on “Review: 1/8 Hong Meiling”
What kind of salute pose is that? LOL I think after sometime, this figure may not even stand properly… Just a hunch. :
Yeah, that’s certainly a common concern for figures like this. The leg seems pretty sturdy and hard to me, but only time will tell~
ZUN’s stance on his creation is fascinating. I guess he doesn’t like (more) money? I certainly wouldn’t mind Touhou merch being easier to get, but then I only own one Touhou thing anyways.
Someone made a working computer within Minecraft. The game scares me, and I’ve yet to play it because I’m concerned that all will be lost if I do.
In the illustration, it looks like Meiling is performing some sort of perhaps very casual military parade march. But then, Gensokyo probably doesn’t have too many military parades to begin with, so the standards for such might be low.
Maybe ZUN has a notion that the non-mainstream status of Touhou is the lifeblood of its following, and the moment he “sells out”, the franchise would lose the sense of intimacy with the fans. For example, if an official Touhou anime project airs, it would deal a severe blow to the franchise’s flexibility. The characters would have fixed personalities, the narrative will be constrained around the official plot, and the world of Gensokyo would lose the flexibility that comes from its ambiguity. While the figure business does not quite have the same effect, but I suspect ZUN intends to keep Touhou as the special lovechild of the fans as long as he can. However, whether or he he has sold out the franchise already is pretty debatable.
I downloaded the game a few days ago, only to find that my laptop can’t cough up the power to run it at a bearable frame-rate. I think I should be grateful for this.
China? Military parade? Sounds right to me. I’m surprised I haven’t thought of it that way, considering the fact that I grew up in China. The government certainly likes to publicize images of soldiers marching in goofy ways. Not quite as goofy as Meiling here, but goofy nonetheless.
A few of my friends are playing Minecraft when they’re not playing WoW, so I just bought it before the price hike.
Dear God. What have I done.
Borderline psychotic? Nonsense. A man loving his wife is but natural course. From your skewed perception of loving relationships I see you’ve encountered Freudian problems regarding your socialization.
Well, what can I say – no man-made effigy can capture the beauty of a goddess. I wasn’t all too satisfied with Ques Q’s treatment either, but hell, at least they gave me a place to start. Their reference image was perfect – why did they have to go make her lean like that? I assume these sculptors are artists, or at the very least more artistically inclined than I; didn’t their blasted professional eyes tell them there’s some discrepancy between the figure and the art, something my warped, unprofessional, 1/20 vision managed to tell me?
I think the skin tones are fine; much better than a static sheet of white, even though there is a bit of plasticity to it. I mean, the pallid nature of her skin is pretty canonical, if not just because Zun has no other skin palette. Which is fine;
imagine how smooth and good her skin would taste, sweet, bitter and salty, and maybe a bitwomen have to be twenty shades lighter than men.The embroidery was a good touch, yeah. As is the deftly hidden pantsu – can’t have any old schmuck walking in and seeing something personal. I also suggest you take those pantyshots off this post before I mail you a bomb. The head-cabbage is unfortunate, yes, as is the scale of her legs. I thought you disagreed with me there though; did you listen to me and measure it with string?
She is not lovingly dubbed ‘China’, it’s sardonic and derisive. How could one dehumanize someone simply because they need that person to fit into the ethnical niches of their sick mind? That, sir, is a hate crime. I’ll forgive Zun for forgetting the name of his bestest character ever because of his alcoholic tendencies, but if she doesn’t like the name calling I must make open war with all the spiteful individuals out there.
But that’s a smashing introductory paragraph; see, that ended up fine.
Trying to understand Zun’s commercial policy is pointless, because there really isn’t one at all. The high priest is ostensibly drunk; I mean, just look at the games he makes. Seriously, everyone’s waiting for Clever Hans to explain a business ethic; I say we just screw ‘em and make more Meiling. He doesn’t really know what’s happening.
Yeah, she’s still leaning and shaking ominously whenever I introduce vibrations at my computer table (which happens with more clockwork regularity than me eating dinner). I had better get a ruler and measure the daily deviation so I can be ready to set up some form of scaffolding before it becomes too late. Hell, if only Meiling even came in UFO catchers – I would begin practicing picking up fly shits with boxing gloves posthaste.
If I could explain the very essence of my love for Meiling I wouldn’t have to write thousands of words on the subsidiary circumstances of our relationship. So instead I will attempt to capture for you these intrinsics with poetry – I can fathom no easier way. So uh, I’ll be done after this short commercial break.
Uh oh, DISQUS doesn’t support certain HTML brackets. This is not gewd.
Man, I am every bit as bewildered as you. Maybe the sculptor just didn’t have enough technical proficiency? Honestly, I’m inclined to believe that, since no matter how I look at it, the figure is a step down from the illustration. Then again, what do we non-sculpting heathen know? Maybe we just don’t understand his ART.
Yeah, I thought about what I wrote on the skin since I posted this and made some changes earlier today. As you mentioned, it’s that plastic feel I get from the skin that bugs me. Still, I think sum subtle flushes on her skin would’ve done wonders. Just because ZUN can’t draw doesn’t mean everyone else has to follow him in his shortcomings.
I wrote a bit of speculation on the method to ZUN’s madness in response to HamsterCorp’s comment above. Touhou owes its following to its cult status, so maybe ZUN’s insistence to withhold it from the “mainstream” is actually a rational decision to maintain the franchise? Who knows, maybe the crazy coot loves money a lot more than we assume.
I know Disqus supports some HTML, like links and italics. I have no idea what
tag does, however — care to enlighten me?By the way, the fervor of your passion in your words make me all sorts of giddy. I drink up your frustration — I PUT MY STRAW IN IT.
is the strikeout tag, used for mediocre jokes. As you see, DISQUS doesn’t allow that, so now I seem like a perverted bastard who can’t discern his bedroom from his workroom (just now).Yeah, Zun explained himself to some degree in an interview once. Thing is, I can’t for the life of me recall what in the world he said, because his fancy hat and the fact that he appears to weigh only 40 pounds will tide over your mind and render you incapable of actually processing his words.
Watching Meiling wobble is still one of the most harrowing experiences ever, but there’s also a bobblehead-like quality to it.
I kinda like her pose, it’s a bit awkward but it’s an interesting combination of a salute and high-stepping skipping, which sorta makes sense since a lot of the Touhou character designs I’ve seen seem to comprise a mashup of different styles. Personally, though, I woulda liked her stance better if it looked more like Desmond Howard’s Heisman pose.
I think the thing you allude to may be the reason I’ve never gotten much into the Touhou stuff; I’m sure the characters are vibrant and appealing once you know their stories but on the surface, I don’t find the character designs to be very interesting. It’s kinda hard for me to say anything about them (and I’ll admit this comment is pretty hard for me to write to start with).
Skinny girl and a big black man — now there’s a parallel I never thought I’d see XD
Yeah, I get what you mean. I’m not sure if I understand the fans myself. I can spit out a few conjectures, but chances are it’s a lot more complicated and a lot less coherent in reality. Thanks for commenting, by the way! When I run into an instance where I can’t conjure the words in response to someone else’s post, I usually just forgo it. Thanks for going the extra mile, Tier!
I guess to be fair, a lot of the characters that I like could be considered uninteresting by a lot of people. I’m a big fan of the Battle Vixens manga (Ikkitousen … I really wish Tokyopop hadn’t renamed the series) but I’m certain that there are a ton of people out there who look at it and see nothing more than a big-breasted schoolgirl with blonde hair as the lead … big-breasted schoolgirl with long dark hair as co-lead … bespectacled schoolgirl … schoolgirl with an eyepatch … man, now that I write it that way, it sounds really generic. I’m sure people view other stuff like Queen’s Blade as not being all that appealing, too.
(*crosses fingers for Irma while thinking of Queen’s Blade *)
Not in high demand?!? To hell with you sir she’s one of the most popular characters! :p
Meh I still don’t like goofy Meiling….wtb serious badass Meiling…
Aw come on, as fabulous and great as Meiling is, Reimu, Marisa, the Scarlet sisters, Sakuya, and hell, even Cirino are probably more popular than her. You can’t blame me for assuming that figure makers won’t be pushing and shoving each other in order to squeeze into the Meiling bandwagon, when there are so many other more celebrated choices to be considered. =P
Nice review, Chag. 🙂
(1) I don’t think the Ques Q has an abnormally long pair of legs. Eyeballing them, her body lenth: leg length ratio seems nearly identical to the GSC’s DM in your own pic:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34366571@N06/5256863388/
The GSC seems larger because her base is taller than the Ques Q. Plus, DM has those long horns on top.
(2) About her salute and knee…
PLA girls:
http://i1.ce.cn/english/subject/PRC19492009/PRC19492009pn/200910/01/W020091001375221020464.jpg
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2009/1002/1224255680525_1.jpg
But as you can see, marching PLA girls step forward with a straight leg up to about 45 deg, not with a high knee like these:
http://photos.news.wisc.edu/photos/158/original/Marching_Band_major98_4.jpg?1286760725
http://comps.fotosearch.com/compb/LIQ/LIQ116/marching-band_~vl0014b059.jpg
Incidentally, after a brief Google search, I could not find a pic of the Rockettes kicking and saluting at the same time, possibly for USO, but I would expect that such images exist somewhere.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mYzIPQTpcgg/TO0JSsYyd7I/AAAAAAAAFeg/kDL18wsifIw/s400/Rockette+kickline.jpeg
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_h3HborB6LT8/TKArwXM31YI/AAAAAAAAJNA/dDb1SFXbiBc/s600/NickRockettesSalute.jpg
Here are Girls Generation/ SNSD promotional pics for their number “Tell Me Your Wish.”
http://questdtz.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/20090625_soshimv_572.jpg?w=500&h=262
http://girlsgeneration9.webs.com/12.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9201/20090625020093.jpg
(3) About her lean.
I think this was a bad idea for the reason you gave.
But you can see the lean is clearly intentional if you look at the base where her left foot is anchored to the right side.
My guess is that the immediate benefit of her lean is to show off more of her upper inner left thigh, which might be hidden by her right leg if she is posed without the lean.
And she is visually more dynamic looking than the lean-less pose.
(4) About her eyes.
As for myself, I like them. They’re cute. ^^;
You are right — the GSC DM has an absurdly long pair of legs as well. It’d probably harder to find a bishoujo figure without ridiculously long legs than one with. What makes Meiling’s pair stand out is the prominence of skin, the tip-toed right foot, and the high slit on the dress. Whereas DM’s legs didn’t stand out immediately to me, Meiling’s legs are pretty in-your-face.
I never said the Chinese marched like Meiling. The parade march still looks silly to me, but it’s not quite the same brand of silly.
I’m not sure what you mean about her lean. I don’t recall implying that it’s a defect. As you said, it’s certainly intentional (though I question the intentions behind it). As for being more visually dynamic… perhaps. Between a plain pose that makes sense and a “dynamic” pose that makes none, I would take the former.
“I never said the Chinese marched like Meiling. The parade march still looks silly to me, but it’s not quite the same brand of silly.”
I do not believe I ever implied that you said Meiling marched like the Chinese. I was agreeing with you. I apologize for not being clear. And I understand now why you may have thought otherwise. 🙂
I was trying to find pics of people marching or dance kicking while saluting at the same time but just happened not to find any after a very brief search. I just thought that there must be some reason for the pose. But I do not know why Meiling in particular should strike this pose. I do not believe she is a soldier or a dancer.
One possible reason I discounted was this:
http://gallery.burrowowl.net/index.php?q=/image/13913.jpg
Unlike someone preparing to kick someone else in the head or chest, Meiling is clearly leaning away from her kicking leg past her center of gravity. She is also clearly saluting.
Perhaps, she is in midflight in striking distance of some pervert flasher. Maybe she is not saluting; maybe she is trying to shield her eyes from his hairy nakedness while rapidly approaching him to knock him senseless? Her facial expression does not necessarily contradict this possibility: @.@
:p
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“I’m not sure what you mean about her lean. I don’t recall implying that it’s a defect.”
It is my fault for not making my points more clear. Chag, I didn’t say that you said it was a defect. I was agreeing with you. Her pose is strange. I only meant to intensify your point by mentioning that her pose seems to have been intentionally made strange. And I also agree with you that the longterm integrity of the structure is in doubt.
By “lean,” I was obviously referring to the shift of her body weight to the right past her center of gravity. I do believe that over time there is some probability that any one of these statues will not be able to handle the multitudes of stresses her lower right leg is subject to and may either deform or snap.
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I only disagree with you on two points. I think her face is cute. And I also think her legs are acceptably long, hehe. I’d give her legs a pass. :p
One of the factors that make Meiling’s and DM’s legs here seem long is that both figures have short torsos. The result is that should either figure bring her knees up to her chest, those knees might reach her shoulders. I don’t think that this ratio is particulary unusual in the world. But you are probably right that this is not very common either.
Also, it does appear that Meiling’s right “ankle” is not actually meant to appear to be “touching” the base. This probably makes her lower legs appear longer. And her upper legs appear longer because the slit in the dress reaches her waist. The pose of her left leg accentuates the effect of the slit because bringing the knees up accentuates the height of the upper outline of her thighs where it meets her left hip. Still, and pardon my incessant vulgarity, the crotch area seems located in the right area. Should Meiling stand up straight with both heels on the base, she might look more normal to you.
What all these bishoujos have in common is their strange skinniness. The lateral width of their shoulders, chest, waist, and hips do not look very healthy. The drawing the figure is based on is even more pronounced in its skinniness. But I think that is a different point from the body length to leg length point. The statue also does a better job normalizing this ratio than the drawing. Another interesting point regarding body length is the apparent differing ratios of height to wingspan between the drawing and statue. The drawing seems to show a girl with short arms. But the statue seems to have given her arms a better balance–in other words, longer arms.
But perhaps my opinion is prejudiced from an unhappy purchasing experience. I bought the Evangelion manga vol 9 because it was packaged with an exclusive articulated Ayanami figure. I found the articulation method pretty interesting, though it wasn’t anything special. But the most notable thing about it was how poorly the makers took into account body ratios. It is this one:
http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/NGE_Rei-01.jpg
Her forehead is longer than the distance between her eyes and chin. Relative to the size of her head, she has the wingspan of Kobe Bryant, which, interestingly, made her look like she had short arms because she looks taller than Ming Yao. Either that, or her torso was impossibly small and her head impossibly small. Her thighs were almost as thick as her waist–like a power running back. But her lower legs were significantly longer than her torso. In short, she either had the proportions of some giant woman suffering from pituatary disease, or she was born with physical defects that likely left her mentally retarded.
Now that was a figure with a absurdly long pair of legs. ^^
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I am a little conflicted about this statue. She has some good points and she has some bad points. Part of me does not want to look at this statue. But another part of me does. :p
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Incidentally, did you actually do a DM review?
Dead Master review is on the way. I’ve been a little busy these past couple of days, and now I’m sick (probably as a result). I hope I can find a way to make the photos for that review slightly fancy, because god knows everyone and their moms have that figure already.
Sorry to hear that you’re not feeling well. This is a crappy time to get sick. Hope you’ll be better soon.
Also, one of the reasons I like your blog as well as the others in your blogroll is because your photos look professionally done. Your figures turn out beautiful. Even as you claim your skepticism about Meiling, your photos make her look fetching. 😉
As you know, I am not fond of the DM statue. But I’m sure you’ll figure out how to make her look as nice as possible, even if it really is an improbable feat. :p
Honestly I like that kind of pose hahaha >_<